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Pat Kruis's avatar

What a fascinating take on Grace. Some of the same conundrum I have with my judgement of self righteousness. Aren’t I being self righteous myself?

Joel Byron Barker's avatar

I don't know. I stay in the conundrum which is very very uncomfortable. This writing came about very quickly without much structural thinking. I did not know the examples were going to be those two incidents, though they were very much on my mind at the time I was writing.

I don't prefer faith that is so unclear, but I seem to have no choice but to have that. I just read someone reminding me that the opposite of faith is certainty...

Gordie Cumming's avatar

Well said Joel. A very interesting take on grace. I often think of it as extended peace or kindness.

I'll have to think about the transition from faith to certainty. I do not hold faith as a real thing. It seems far more emotional. On the other side, certainty is more elusive; other than the known certainties. Tuesday follows Monday, most math and science concepts. To be completely certain of many occurrences or outcomes requires confidence (faith) in the process developed and implemented to achieve them.

Joel Byron Barker's avatar

That's interesting. I think you are saying that certainty is illusory, that there could be any number of things that turn out different than we are "certain" they will? Or is this more the certainty that the fastest runner will win the race, the best business will rise in the market, etc?

Gordie Cumming's avatar

More or less. Certainty has degrees. The degree of certainty we have in a process increases or decreases over time based on results. I'd use more direct result examples; If I keep my gas tank full, my car will keep running. We can never have complete certainty. The more variability involved, I feel, the less certain I am.